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[stargazer]

Hi Everyone,

I was reading an article in Astronomy Now Magizine from England. (A good Magizine real close to our Astronomy Mag) Anywho they had an article in there about Worm Holes. How they might be a shortcut into the great Outer Space. It seems to me that they might think there is another deminsion in Space. Ifyou saw the movie "Contact" wit Jodi Foster you know what a Worm Hole is. Now I guess my question for you all is do you think they are real or just someone's mind working in overtime. I know that there is alot we dont know about our Universe but do you think Worm Holes are real. Cant wait to hear your thoughts on this.

B

[stargazer]

Well Guys,

I did some research on Worm Holes and this was one explanation I came accross and wanted to share it with you for your thoughts on it.


"All worm holes are black holes, but not all black holes are worm holes. A black hole is a region of space in which space-time curvature has become so extreme that an event horizon is present. This horizon is a 3-D spherical surface separating the outside world from what is inside the black hole. Light signals from within this horizon cannot escape to infinity so that communication with the outside universe is impossible. Black holes are solutions to Einstein's general relativistic equation for gravity, and there are many individual black hole 'solutions' depending on the properties of the matter that went into forming the black hole. "

After you read this tell me what you think.

B

[Chicago Astronomer - Astro Joe]

The theory of worm holes is a tough one. I like to think, (if they exist), as shortcuts to different planes in the universe, or multiverse, in this case. I lean toward the idea that they provide a "pathway" to another section by boring thru the folds and bends of space. So instead of going all the way around, one could slip into a worm hole and save time.

But no one has really seen either a black hole or a worm hole. Just possible evidence of their existance. If a black hole does exist, it would explain the engine that drives the galaxies. And where does the matter go to once it enters the hole? Our simple minds state that there must be a "white" hole exiting somewhere. Perhaps into another dimension/plane/multiverse. It may look like a light jet...streaming out great amounts of matter into the voids of a space.

There must a an intermediate phenomenon before we get to a worm hole. Some tiny anomolie that has the properties of a worm hole like object. We think that the worm hole must be huge, but suppose the hole is tiny...maybe even microscopic? I think that when one sock goes missing, or keys vanish.

All it is, is a vortex of unknown properties. We can look around us for examples to attempt to explain the worm hole. I come up with tornados and hurricanes. Both tunnels of various dimensions, that collects matter, and transports it elsewhere. As it tries to balance pressure, it grabs everything it can in it's way. Perhaps the black/worm home is a balancing act of the cosmos. If we lay out a checkered plane around a tornado, I'm sure the elongated pattern we theorize around a worm hole would be the same, as the vacuum would distort it's surroundings.

Some writings of the ancients talk about "Gateways" to the heavens. Perhaps ancient astronauts used these wormholes to visit an early Earth and other points beyond. But that's another topic.

[NatureDevil]

Here we go! This is the kind of stuff I study when it comes to astronomy and physics. Yes, white holes are the answer to black holes, possibly. Wromholes are different in theory in that black holes most likely connect to white holes or other black holes in another dimension or plane, while workholes are still technically in the same universe.

At the same time, theories state that according to Einstein's numbers, everything in this other dimension would be opposite in the order that nothing goes slower than the speed of light (naturally) just how nothing goes faster than the speed of light here (also naturally). Ever hear of tachyons in Star Trek? Those buggers are from that other dimension....

...but back to the wormholes. You've got this big thing of massive gravity that you have to keep open using some kind of negative energy (I'll just insult it for an hour) and it works in a way where the universe is bent so that certain parts are closer to each when they go through it. And, like a black hole, you have this spacetime singularioty at the center of it. Star Trek has this when they talk about the Bajoran workhole next to Deep Space 9.

The idea is that the massive black holes are at the center of every galaxy, and they kind of have this job of running the place. There are other places in space where we see that evidence that supports where a black hole might be, but then again, it could just be a bunch of dense space crap in the way....or maybe a wormhole.....??

Damn, I really need to get back to Dante's Inferno if I wanna finish my homework by Wednesday. If you have any questions I'll do my best to answer them. I love this stuff.

NatureDevil

[stargazer]

Ok Brian,

If a Worm hole exsists and is considered the 3rd deminsion then what is the first and second? I know it may seem like a dumb question. I can see the first deminsion being what we can see in space but what is the second. I know with the event horizon being what it is and that we can not see beyond that as to what is going on inside a black/white hole. So can you please tell me how they say a worn hole is there if we cant see it. Yes we can see what a black/white hole does, what effect it has on the Universe and how they are formed but I guess I still come back to whats inside and how can they say whats going on when we cant see it.

Sorry.

B

[NatureDevil]

Damn, I'll need to come back and reply later on this again. I know what you mean and what you are asking, and I am starving to get food, so I'll have to elaborate later tonight, but for now, I'll say that there are more than 3 dimensions...actually way more. I got lost after the 6th one was explained, but I can answer it for you the best I can. Lemmie get dinner and finish my Dante's Inferno.

By the way, I am reading Dante's Inferno, and in the 7th circle of hell, you'll find the astrologers, who claim they can se the future using the stars and planets in the sky. They are in hell for it. There punishment is they have their heads twisted around, and thus they can now only walk backwards!! I love it!!

Alrighty, I'll be back with more about wormholes.

NatureDevil

[stargazer]

Hi Brain,

The book you are reading. Who wrote it and where did you get it. If it deals with the Ancient Astronomers and anything for that matter with Astronomy I would like to read it. So Please details if you can about it.


Thanks
B

[NatureDevil]

Everything I am writing is from several different books, most of which I never owned, or gathered from Science News or one of those other magazines.

Actually, I would love to get some books on ancient astronomers. I am at work now, otherwise I'd finish writing all I know and try to help with some peices to the puzzle, and I'd dig through my book collection, but it is mostly old, outdated stuff. I'll see what I can find when I get back home.

All those little science magazines are great. I also remember reading a lot of Isaac Asimov's non-fiction stuff, but no titles stand out. Great fiction writer, but very dry with the science facts.

NatureDevil

[Chicago Astronomer - Astro Joe]

I recall reading Asimov as a kid in school. It was way over the heads of the classmates, (most things were). I liked his writings, as well as Arthur C. Clarke. Clarke believes that life exists presently on Mars, albeit single cell and plant life. I tend to agree with him.

I am not into sci-fi reading. I take my sci-fi thru Star Trek et el.

I still have the old paperbacks of the authors.