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[starbux]

One interesting thing that Hubble could attempt, but the timing would have to be right, would be a terminator view (sunrise or sunset) of the landing sites in question. Even if resolution was still inadaquate to see the LEM proper, its shadow would be long enough to register something. It may not show anything conclusive, but I think it would be worth attempting.

[OscarH]

I knew I was going to have an error in there somewhere. Hubbles resolving power is .05 not .005 thanks for checking. I guess the different numbers quoted from 'official' sites is part of the problem. ;D

[TheCriticalEye]

starbux said:

Why would Hubble not be able to resolve smaller than 30 km? This (and alot smaller than that) would be easy even for modest amateur telescopes.

Perhaps you meant 3 (or more likely 0.3) km?

That is the actual amount of "moon" that the hubble can resolve wich is around 30 kilometers across. Noy my words just the ones that designed it.

Hubble was never designed to be a lunar microscope but a deep field observing platform indeed it is and does this rather well ( for the time being)

And like i post earlier on this thread clemintine ALREADY has taken pics of the apollo landings.

[TheCriticalEye]

the answer still Joe is no it can not Hubbles resolving power is not designed for such attempts

[starbux]

TheCriticalEye said:

That is the actual amount of "moon" that the hubble can resolve wich is around 30 kilometers across. Noy my words just the ones that designed it.

I'd be interested in a link or the name of who specifically said that, because it still sounds absurd on the face of it. Are you implying that because the moon's distance is a quarter of a million miles as opposed to "infinity" (for all practical purposes) that Hubble cannot get a sharp enough focus on the moon? Even the already posted pic of Copernicus probably shows features at least that small.

I'm very skeptical of that claim. Please quote a specific source.

[Maddad]

starbux
That's a great idea about taking a picture of the shadow near the terminator line. Designed for looking at the moon or not, Hubble just might be able to see it.

[Chicago Astronomer - Astro Joe]

Apollo Landing Sites from Clementine...Sorta Kinda...

Unsubstantiated claims without links or sources is sooo dead... ... So, I do the work of Billy, and post a few pics of some landing site imagery from Clementine...

Here is the landing site of Apollo 11:

astrogeology.usgs.gov/Projects/Clementine/images/AP11_n.jpg

Here is an image of the Apollo 15 landing site:

www.space.com/missionlaunches/missions/apollo15_touchdown_photos_010427.html

But the caption states that it's inconclusive, and really shows nothing.

Here is the Apollo 16 landing site

www.cmf.nrl.navy.mil/clementine/clem_collect/apollo16.html

It does not state the that the lander is present in the shot, just that the site is in between the two bright craters.

Here is another of the Apollo 16 landing, and this time stating that indeed, that the lander is in the shot.

www.lpi.usra.edu/expmoon/clementine/a16_new1.gif

Here the scale is 10 km, and that dot is allegedly the lander. Click on the link for a larger image of the site.


Here are the specs of the Clementine craft:

The field of view was 0.3 x 0.4 degrees, translating to a width of about 2 km at a nominal lunar altitude of 400 Km. The image array is 288 x 384 pixels, (pixel size of 23 x 23 micrometers) so the pixel resolution at the Moon was 7-20 m depending on the spacecraft altitude.

Here is the entire Specs site for Clementine that our better number crunchers can tackle:

www.lpi.usra.edu/expmoon/clementine/clementine.html#data

It had a wide variety of instruments, including a infrared camera to measure the thermal emission from the Moon. Why couldn't it detect the metal on the surface absorbing all that solar energy. It would have come up as a hot spot on the surface.

Clementine Lunar Image Browser 1.5

Now here...here is a cool site...in where one can zoom in on any part of the Moon with just a click:

www.cmf.nrl.navy.mil/clementine/clib/

www.actgate.com/act/lunarbrowse.htm

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Now, here we have some images of sites of the Apollos, so we know that the areas can be isolated and imaged. And with todays better imaging capabilities, with Hubble, SMART-1 etc... we certainly can reproduce the imagery now - clearer, better, sharper.

If the spy satellites we have now in Earth orbit, claiming that they can take an image of license plates, I would think NASA would have the similar capabilities with their cameras.

Boy...that was a lot of work to post....

[Chicago Astronomer - Astro Joe]

Here is a great site on the eventual fate of the Ascent stage of the LM's.

www.madsci.org/posts/archives/jun2001/991783298.As.r.html

Here is one bit that I found totally amazing!...

The Apollo 10 ascent module, on the other hand, was jettisoned after re-docking with the CSM in lunar orbit, and then its engines were fired, injecting it into a solar orbit where it still exists!

It would be quite a cool mission to capture it when it's orbit ever brings it around close to Earth. I'm sure NORAD is tracking it.

Now, this site also provides the crash coordinates of the jettisoned equipment, including a huge booster rockets...I'm sure with the great velocity of the objects, that a good crater was created from the impact.

The seismometers left on the Moon by the crew registered the impact of the ascent module. (But note also that all the Saturn IV-B translunar injection stages also crashed onto the Moon before their respective LM's arrival -- this velocity had to be staggering, since the stage was basically accelerating all the way from the Lagrange point inwards?)

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And here is a complete listing of all the impact/crash sites on the Moon:

www.skyrover.net/impact.htm#apollo

Where are the pics?...

[TheCriticalEye]

Again Joe you are still making claims that in fact are total WRONG ! That is you have this grand idea that HUBBLE can take such close up pictures of the moon wich is totally rediculous.

Oh wait or is NASA hiding something again? ROTFL
Earlier posts imade stated that it was 30 km in resolving power i take that back. Here is a site that really explains telescope power and resloving power especially WHY HUBBLE CANT SEE APOLLO SITES!
geez ..... ( sigh)

curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=134

Here you go JOE i did the legwork for you.

P.S. are you really an ametuer astronomer or did you just sleep in a motel8 last night? lmao

[Chicago Astronomer - Astro Joe]

Billy, Billy Billy...

If you keep LYAO and not only would you lack decent interpersonal conversation skills, but be buttock free as well - Stiff and straight as a board. But if it makes you happy, you are welcome to continue your Billydoms. No sweat.

I prefer to do my laughing reclining and feet up, as the floor is so beneath me...

Does Motel8 have magic fingers? Gee I hope so....