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[eanassir]

The newcomer: an opportunity to restudy comets

An astronomer show to me the most recent image that he picked, and said to me: "The comet is not oblong; it is spherical; see this image! It is not flaming as you said!"
I answered him:
In case the object is far away and flaming, it will appear like this. And in case, the picture of this object is in profile, it will appear like this.
It is Astronomers that say that the comet is not spherical.

May I ask: what distance (away from the sun) is required so that the dirty ice will boil [as you claim]? And will the ice on its surface melt, before its central ice?

Moreover, if it is not a flaming object, then what will make such a relatively small inert object appear so luminous from such far distance?

Refer to my previous article in the forum of the Chicago Astronomer: The mistake of Astronomers about Comets.
And see this link at our website:
universeandquran.741.com/new_page_3.htm#Comets

eanassir
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[Maddad]

That link has a heavy religious component to it. Here in the west we have people who also wish to convince others of their religious views. The protestant evangelicals come to mind, but of course, there are other such groups. Most of the people here at the Chicago Astronomer separate religion from science because there can be unreconcilable differences if we do not. While being a person myself who believes in the existence of God, I think of religion as telling us who created the universe, with science saying how He did it.

The questions you ask focuses on how He did it. With your flaming comet, you object that if you had a different view of the comet, then it would give different information. We do not have this other view, so there is no way to falsify your statement. Science does not prove anything. Instead, it attempts to disprove, and in failing to do so, makes the idea stronger. We are unable to perform a flaming comet test that might disprove your idea because we do not see the comet close up. If we could see the comet close up, then we could look to see if it were flaming and oblong. If it were not spherical or burning, then it would disprove your idea, making the other interpretation stronger. If instead it showed a flaming oblong object, then it would disprove the claim that comets must be spherical and lit by an external source. You assertion would then be stronger. The observation would prove neither, but it would make one or the other stronger.

Without the observation, we are unable to use science to decide how He did it. We must instead decide what we believe according to whatever flavor of religion we choose.

[Chicago Astronomer - Astro Joe]

I can appreciate Eanassir's thoughts on this, but religion often has the opposite effect on science...to just accept what is written on blind faith. Which we all have learned has kept mankind in the dark for so long.

Religion instead of science is poor logic, but belief along with science exploration is cool.

A flaming comet is what the ancients might have described the object...in terms they only knew how to describe.

[Maddad]

Science builds he modern world. The ancient Greeks and Romans used it too, which resulted in stunning accomplishments. Then religion got into the picture, and set civilization back and delayed progress perhaps 1,500 years. Religion says to believe what someone else tells you; do not look or think for yourself.

The religious zealots can say, “You gotta believe”, but I believe that Bob has returned and did not fall off the edge of the world as religion tells us he must. Bob was a sailor on the ship of Fernao de Magalhaes, which left Lisbon sailing to the West, on September 20, 1519 with 265 men in five leaky ships. Three years later, Bob and seventeen other men returned from the East on one lone ship. Magellan himself had died in the Spice Islands, the Philippines, but not before crossing 124th line of East longitude where the Portuguese nine years earlier had arrived from the west. When Bob walked into Lisbon, he drove a stake through the heart of religion’s death grip on progress.

Today any person can look through Galileo’s telescope and see for himself. Any even inexpensive scope shows the moons circling Jupiter. It shows Venus which gets larger and then smaller as it swings around the Sun in coordination with phases. It shows the planets as discs, not just points of light. It shows spots that move across the face of the Sun. It shows thousands of previously undetected stars in the Milky Way. It shows the rings of Saturn. It shows the mountains of the Moon. Religion says that all these things cannot be. Look for yourself and decide whether the religious zealots have it figured out.

[Chicago Astronomer - Astro Joe]

Dave,

I agree.

Fundamentalists and zealots are quite dangerous, hypocritical and anti-progressive.

Seems that anything that may challenge a belief is deemed heresy and dismissed as a diversion from faith by Satan or whatever. But those with an open mind, who do believe in a higher being, see new developementsand discoveries as opening new vistas for understanding and a deeper appreciation of their environment.

Religion should never be an obsticle to learning.

[Maddad]

antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap071121.html

APOD is running a story today about the comet. Interestingly, they make a comment that bears on the possible oblong shape of the bright central region.

I also remembered that the comet was supposed to have suddenly brightened a million times. Since the coma is now 1.4 million kilometers across, and the nucleus is only 3.4 kilometers, the size ratio squared is about 170 billion. This made me realize that I do not know what the original size of the coma was before the comet brightened.

[eanassir]

maddad said:

The religious zealots can say, “You gotta believe”, but I believe that Bob has returned and did not fall off the edge of the world as religion tells us he must.

The true original religion of God as found in the Torah revealed to Moses (Most of it is included in the Old Testament), and in the Gospel revealed to Jesus as well as in the Quran revealed to Mohammed. This is different from the traditions narrated by various sects.
The mistake of the church was that they adopted the teachings of Ptolemy (: one of the ancient Greek scientists) who said the earth is the centre of the universe and that the sun circles around it, while God did not say that; it was Ptolemy who said it.

The Quran includes a large number of revelations concerning Astronomy
universeandquran.741.com

Moreover, the Quran encourages man to discover and investigate the universe and its wonders. Some of these Quranic revelations have been verified by the science [like the sphericity of the earth],
universeandquran.741.com/new_page_3.htm#AmiracleaboutSphericity

And some of such Quranic revelations still not yet proven: like the existence of life on the planets.
universeandquran.741.com/#PlanetsInhabited

An anticipated meeting between the inhabitants of Earth and the inhabitants of some other planets
universeandquran.741.com/new_page_2.htm#Meeting Between Inhabitants


eanassir
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[eanassir]

admin said:

Dave,

I agree.

Fundamentalists and zealots are quite dangerous, hypocritical and anti-progressive.

Seems that anything that may challenge a belief is deemed heresy and dismissed as a diversion from faith by Satan or whatever. But those with an open mind, who do believe in a higher being, see new developementsand discoveries as opening new vistas for understanding and a deeper appreciation of their environment.

Religion should never be an obsticle to learning.

I agree with you Joe, and I add that the Glorious Quran encourages the investigation and exploration of the universe.
• I may give as an example: the Moon which has an important role in letting people understand the counting, arithmetic and the timing; because of the different phases of Moon; if there had been only one phase they would not have been alert about the time. God – be glorified – said in the Quran 10: 5
åõæó ÇáøóÐöí ÌóÚóáó ÇáÔøóãúÓó ÖöíóÇÁ æóÇáúÞóãóÑó äõæÑðÇ æóÞóÏøóÑóåõ ãóäóÇÒöáó áöÊóÚúáóãõæÇú ÚóÏóÏó ÇáÓøöäöíäó æóÇáúÍöÓóÇÈó ãóÇ ÎóáóÞó Çááøåõ Ðóáößó ÅöáÇøó ÈöÇáúÍóÞøö íõÝóÕøöáõ ÇáÂíóÇÊö áöÞóæúãò íóÚúáóãõæäó
The explanation: (It is He Who made the sun: [light-] emitting and the moon: light[-reflecting] and decreed for her stages [of the moon during its revolution around the earth]; that you [people] may know the counting of years and the calculation [of months and days.] God created not that but with the true [promise of destroying them at their appointed term]; He expounds the revelations to a people who know [astronomy, and they will believe.] )

eanassir
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[Chicago Astronomer - Astro Joe]

eanassir,

I tried to follow the links to confirm your statements...but it's quite a long read...and my simple brain can't take all that in.

Could you post simple statements backing up the passages in the Torah regarding the astronomical details?

I am particulaly interested in the Ptolemy influence.

Thanks.

[eanassir]

admin said:

eanassir,

I tried to follow the links to confirm your statements...but it's quite a long read...and my simple brain can't take all that in.

Could you post simple statements backing up the passages in the Torah regarding the astronomical details?

I am particulaly interested in the Ptolemy influence.

Thanks.

Dear Joe,
Our website [a href="universeandquran.741.com"]universeandquran.741.com[/a] , truly, includes much information about the universe and Astronomy, in relation to the Glorious Quran; some of such knowledge is confirmed by some verses of the Bible.
One can go to it gradually and one by one, or can download the list of the contents (and click on any subject he likes) and make it a reference to refer to it on need.

These are the contents:

The Universe and the Quran

[a href="universeandquran.741.com "]universeandquran.741.com [/a]

Contents

First Part : The Formation of Objects
The sky (or heaven)
The heavens
1- The gaseous heavens
The natural gas
2- The ethereal heavens
The ether
The Throne
3- The material heavens
Comment
Definition
Conversation with the author
The Planets (The Wandering Stars)
-The day and year of the planet
-The planets have satellites and moons
-The atmosphere of the planets
-The light of the planets and their temperature
-The distance of the planets from the sun, by millions of miles
-The planets are inhabited
[The mistake of Astronomers about Pluto]
[The mistake of Astronomers about the Asteroids]
-Formation of the planets
[The First Commandment]
-Formation of the earth
The gravitation
-Cause of the gravitation
-Proving that the gravitation is because of the heat
The repelling force
-A diagram of the roundabout
The movement of objects
-the reason for the revolution of the planets around the sun
-the reason for the variation in the duration of the planets’ revolution around the sun
-the cause of a planet being near the sun and another being far
-the reason for the rotation of the earth around itself
-a diagram illustrating that the repelling force repels the big object more than the small
Moons and their formation
-the appearances of the moon
-a diagram of the moon in the third night of the month
-phases of the moon
-a diagram showing the phases of the moon
Traveling to the moon
Traveling to Venus is dangerous
Traveling to Mars is successful
The emigration to Mars
Comment
An anticipated meeting between the inhabitants of Earth and the inhabitants of some other planets
The asteroids
The eclipses
The meteorites
Merckson meteorite
Mountains
Life is transmittable (or migrant)
The meteors
The earthquake and cleavage
Volcanoes
Sun
Comets
Stars
- [ The pairedness (or coupling) of stars :]
-Age of stars
A rule for objects
[The Wrong Calculations of Astronomers Concerning Mars]:
[The Wrong Calculations of Astronomers Concerning Jupiter]:
The day and night
- [ A miracle of the Quran: the authentic word of God :]
The rain
The snow
The hailstone
-The Lightening of the Cloud
The tide
Springs
Second Part : The Destruction and Dispersion of Objects
Destruction of objects and their dispersion
The standstill of the earth
How the terrestrial planets will stand still
-[An Explanation by the translator]
Sunspots
[ The mistake of Astronomers concerning sunspots :]
The world that is burning
The earth approaches the sun
- [ A scientific miracle of the Quran: ]
The plant will burn and rivers will dry up
The Fixation of moon
The Fission of Moon into two halves
The meteorites will move towards the sun
The sky will be upset
Repentance will not be accepted on that day
Falling of the comets down upon the earth
[ The Oath or Swearing in the Quran:]
The sun will burst
The sky will be filled with fire and smoke
The blowing through the Horn
The earthquake [of Doomsday]
The planets will break up
- Comment by the translator
Mountains will be dispersed
The sky will be cleft
The gaseous layers [on Doomsday]
What is Doomsday?
-another scientific miracle of the Quran: the individual variation in finger prints
Formation of new planets
A remark about the heat wave that has recently overwhelmed the world
The End (of the book)

[glow=red,2,300]One who likes to investigate any subject of these, has to open the link: [a href="universeandquran.741.com "]universeandquran.741.com [/a] and then go to the list of the contents and click on any subject he likes.[/glow]

[Maddad]

The spammers have hit The Chicago Astronomer. eanassir isn't here for months, and then when he posts, a few hours later someone supposedly else with his same religious ax to grind posts with the same in the same distinctive style he used. This supposedly different person also has the same computer problem. One coincidence I might believe. Might. Three and I know when I've been had.

[Chicago Astronomer - Astro Joe]

Well,

Maybe Maddad, maybe.

But Eanassir has a different ISP. I have removed and blocked the spammers, but not a sure fire blockade.

Let's see what developes.

[eanassir]

admin said:

Well,

Maybe Maddad, maybe.

But Eanassir has a different ISP. I have removed and blocked the spammers, but not a sure fire blockade.

Let's see what developes.

I see all my posts here; all of them are mine. I prefer, if possible, to be informed in case any reply to my posts. Thank you.
eanassir
universeandquran.741.com

[eanassir]

maddad said:

eanassir isn't here for months,

Hi every body,

After investigating the contents of the sample from the Deep Impact, they found:
1. Spitzer detected specific colors of infrared light that indicated that Tempel 1 contained clays and carbonates, the minerals of limestone and seashells.
Clays and carbonates both require liquid water to form.

"How do clays and carbonates form in frozen comets where there isn't liquid water?"
said Carey M. Lisse, a research scientist at the Applied Physics Laboratory at Johns Hopkins University who is presenting the Spitzer data today at a meeting of the Division for Planetary Sciences in Cambridge, England. "Nobody expected this."
2. Spitzer also detected minerals known as crystalline silicates. Astronomers had already known that comets contain silicates, but silicates line up in neat crystal structures only when they are warmed to 1,300 degrees Fahrenheit - temperatures reached at around the orbit of Mercury - and then cooled.
"How do you do that and then how do you put that stuff into a comet that forms out by Pluto?" Dr. Lisse said.
3. Observations of the Deep Impact collision confirmed that the comet is mostly empty space. The outer layers of Tempel 1 are "unbelievably fragile, less strong than a snow bank," said Michael A'Hearn, the mission's principal investigator, during a telephone news conference yesterday.
"There is no indication we got down to any solid ice."
The comet, about five miles long and three miles wide, is fluffy and porous, with about 75 percent of it just empty space, Dr. A'Hearn said.
"The ice is all in the form of tiny grains" from 0.00004 to 0.004 inches in diameter, he said.
www.nytimes.com/2005/09/07/science/07comet.html


eanassir
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